Heat pump: market economy versus forced economy

Renew heat pump instead of gas burner in old building? I didn't get an offer: Heat pump companies are cherry pickers, cake is not good enough.






2018 at the beginning of the project Hintersee I gave my contact details on some website. A representative for heat pumps contacted me and visited me. I then got an offer for 16,000 €. I would not take the scrap even for 6,000 €.

In 2019, the Triple-Tiny project started, which was the original name for GEMINI next Generation. First, I contacted European companies about the heat pumps. Then I looked around on Alibaba and the 40,000 heat pump listings. The prices were absolutely shockingly low.

I then filed a complaint with the EU Competition Commission: Suspicion of price fixing and cartelization among EU heat pump manufacturers. Reason: The German worker earns significantly more than the Chinese worker, yet the Chinese worker can afford significantly more heat pump for his salary.

  Heat pumps in new construction no question


For new construction, the heat pump is not a question at all, at least if you have the ability to buy directly on Alibaba or have a cheap supplier. The situation is quite different for old buildings, however. Over the years, some of my acquaintances had the desire to convert to heat pump.

I did not realize any of these wishes because the profitability calculations were too tight. JAZ (annual performance factor) 2.3 instead of 2.7 could have destroyed a friendship: "You recommended this #!#!#! to me and now I pay more than before". There are always the operating costs of the old heating compared to credit rate and operating costs of the new heating. In the new building no question, if 4 kWh warmth stand against 1 kWh electricity with the consumption.

But can you create at least 2.5 kWh of heat with 1 kWh of electricity with new radiators? Retrofit floor heating has adventurous costs. The problem was further aggravated by the drastically increasing credit interest rates. After all, the loan rate plus the operating costs apply to the changeover.

  Hybrid solution


When it's very cold, air-source heat pumps degenerate into electricity heating. What if everyone had an air-source heat pump? No problem in new buildings according to Salzburg's building code, but quite different in existing buildings.

I currently live in such an old building. The house was built in 1997. Exterior walls u=0.5, roof u=0.3. Those were the building codes at the time dictated by the brick lobby. The lobbying was, the u-value for the wall must be so bad that our best brick can meet that without additional insulation. 4 houses, each with about 270 m² of living space, are centrally supplied by a gas burner. The hot water pipes are laid through the underground garage and are reheated electrically. Costs adventurous 25,000 kWh electricity per year.

When the old gas burner was to be replaced, I tried to propose 4 heat pumps, one in the basement for each of the 4 houses. Either for full supply or at least for heating to -2 °. The old gas heating once it gets colder. Would have had the advantage that the 4 heat pumps would have been closer to the consumer and so the electric reheating of the hot water pipes superfluous.

I didn't get a quote: Heat pump companies are cherry pickers, cake is not good enough.

  Contracting as a solution


There are so adventurous promises around, like: "With poor we promote up to 80 er costs". How could such a poor family only heat up to now, if the economical heat pump must be promoted with 80 er costs? Is the conversion now a cost savings, or so expensive that you have to take over costs at Armen 80?

When politicians promise so grandly that switching to heat pumps will save money, then contracting would be the ideal solution. A contract "We supply heat at 80 he cost of your current heating". This means that the contarcting provider takes care of everything. Purchase of the heat pump, installation, replacement of the radiators, possibly conversion to wall or floor heating. Of course, it also takes care of the necessary loans. The contracting customer only has to do one thing: eat 80 for heat what he previously paid for heat with the old heating system. Or what he would have paid for heat without refurbishment. For example: before the renovation and the heat pump, you paid €2,000 a year for 20,000 kWh of heat. The refurbishment has reduced the heat demand to 10,000 kWh. Therefore, you now pay 16 cents/kWh, which includes the refurbishment costs.

That would be an honest solution, in stark contrast to the self-contradictory advertising drivel of the green politicians.

Those with the expertise to buy directly from Alibaba themselves can save much more, of course, but the contracting offer would be an assured savings over existing heating costs.

  Free market economy lowers costs


Why did an extremely primitive cell phone cost over €1,000 in 1993, but a simple smartphone can be ordered on AliExpress for as little as €40? That's technical progress and a free market economy.

A constantly increasing, but revenue-neutral CO2 tax is part of the steering of the free market economy. Dear business, make your customers offers to escape from the CO2 tax, which are so good that your customers are enthusiastic about them.

  Forced economy increases costs


The heat pump industry here is cherry-picking. They never wanted the mass market. They just wanted a small market with high profit margins. Is this industry now supposed to get new customers through coercive measures?

There were several heat pump companies a few years ago that did not submit a bid for this housing complex with 4 houses and 270 m² of living space each. They simply did not offer, because you wanted to charge such high prices that the offer would have been too expensive. Just no raisins, just ordinary cake.

But what would have been the offer if he had been forbidden to replace the old gas burner with a new one? Would there have been all tenants and owners so poor that 80örderung would have been necessary?

  The difference between association member and shareholder


A club member donates his membership fee to the club and is happy if the club is successful. If not, I have supported a good cause.

A shareholder acquires shares in a stock corporation. If the AG is successful, his shares are worth much more. In the case of GEMINI next Generation AG, his reward, for supporting a good cause.

As a shareholder, employee or homebuyer, you will also become part of the countermovement against many negative developments in our society that are detrimental to our survival.

A new shareholder said "I with my very modest investment", but 4,000 times 1,000 € is also 4 million for all investments until the opening of the settlement in Unken as a starting point for worldwide expansion.

Only the Annual General Meeting can resolve the major capital increases, but here is what the Executive Board and Supervisory Board can resolve. The new capital stock is used to perfect the documents for the larger planned capital increases.

Here are the details.
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Strictly against “Man Is a Pest” We vehemently disagree with this. Any direction that views man as a pest will be completely incapable of developing solutions for the survival of mankind.     Strictly against “Man Is a Pest”
We vehemently disagree with this. Any direction that views man as a pest will be completely incapable of developing solutions for the survival of mankind.

Filtering and splitting CO2 from the atmosphere Due to their enormous space and water requirements, plants are unsuitable for the necessary reduction of the CO2 content in the atmosphere. There is no room for 37 million km² of growing forest.     Filtering and splitting CO2 from the atmosphere
Due to their enormous space and water requirements, plants are unsuitable for the necessary reduction of the CO2 content in the atmosphere. There is no room for 37 million km² of growing forest.

Obstacles on the way to a real civilisation Technology and natural sciences very good plus politics and economics not enough minus What is preventing humanity from becoming a real civilization?     Obstacles on the way to a real civilisation
Technology and natural sciences very good plus politics and economics not enough minus What is preventing humanity from becoming a real civilization?

Levels of civilization and the status of the civilization on planet Earth Without knowing it, mankind has been on a civilization jump for a 1/4 millennium. This must now be completed as quickly as possible with the urgently needed planet renovation.     Levels of civilization and the status of the civilization on planet Earth
Without knowing it, mankind has been on a civilization jump for a 1/4 millennium. This must now be completed as quickly as possible with the urgently needed planet renovation.

IPCC Report 2021: “Net Zero Emissions” Fairy Tale and its Devastating Consequences Constantly contradicting itself, the IPCC 2021 report adheres to the completely inadequate “net zero emissions” target. This can only be thinking prohibitions.     IPCC Report 2021: “Net Zero Emissions” Fairy Tale and its Devastating Consequences
Constantly contradicting itself, the IPCC 2021 report adheres to the completely inadequate “net zero emissions” target. This can only be thinking prohibitions.

No one should have to be afraid of big changes Those who are afraid of their existence will vehemently oppose any change. We must therefore design a system where every loser of change becomes a winner.     No one should have to be afraid of big changes
Those who are afraid of their existence will vehemently oppose any change. We must therefore design a system where every loser of change becomes a winner.

Conference of Mayors in Upper Austria Global prosperity and planetary restoration instead of destroying society with constant “save restrict renounce” demands.     Conference of Mayors in Upper Austria
Global prosperity and planetary restoration instead of destroying society with constant “save restrict renounce” demands.

390 PWh/year electricity for CO2 from the atmosphere Reduce the CO2 content with Power to Carbon, generate fuels with Power to Liquid and use CO2 for indoor plant cultivation to replace large-scale agriculture.     390 PWh/year electricity for CO2 from the atmosphere
Reduce the CO2 content with Power to Carbon, generate fuels with Power to Liquid and use CO2 for indoor plant cultivation to replace large-scale agriculture.

Carbon fiber becomes standard material for construction If we filter the 33.1 Gt CO2 emission of 2019 from the atmosphere and split it into C and O, we get 9 billion tons of carbon. What to do with it?     Carbon fiber becomes standard material for construction
If we filter the 33.1 Gt CO2 emission of 2019 from the atmosphere and split it into C and O, we get 9 billion tons of carbon. What to do with it?

Investing in disruption for survival: GEMINI 1991 to 2023 In 1991, the “GEMINI habitable solar power plant” was extremely far ahead of its time, but in 2021, “GEMINI next Generation” has the potential for the next big disruption.     Investing in disruption for survival: GEMINI 1991 to 2023
In 1991, the “GEMINI habitable solar power plant” was extremely far ahead of its time, but in 2021, “GEMINI next Generation” has the potential for the next big disruption.

Calculation ERROR Why is humanity not half the way to solar age, like it was intended 1991 as PEGE - Planetary Engineering Group Earth was founded? There is a deadly calculation ERROR!     Calculation ERROR
Why is humanity not half the way to solar age, like it was intended 1991 as PEGE - Planetary Engineering Group Earth was founded? There is a deadly calculation ERROR!

Iron-air battery - will decentral summer/winter balancing become standard? A new big duel is emerging: hydrogen fuel cells, power to methane and combined cycle power plants against the iron-air battery. Where can the iron-air battery save costs?     Iron-air battery - will decentral summer/winter balancing become standard?
A new big duel is emerging: hydrogen fuel cells, power to methane and combined cycle power plants against the iron-air battery. Where can the iron-air battery save costs?

Power grid or no power grid, that is here the question Let's take a larger settlement with 1024 houses and 90 MW of photovoltaics. In an area as sunny as Mountain View in California, 125 GWh annual yield.     Power grid or no power grid, that is here the question
Let's take a larger settlement with 1024 houses and 90 MW of photovoltaics. In an area as sunny as Mountain View in California, 125 GWh annual yield.

Energy change — Food change — Social change Everyone is only talking about the energy transition for climate protection, but we also need a change in food production and in the social sphere. A solution for all 3 changes.     Energy change — Food change — Social change
Everyone is only talking about the energy transition for climate protection, but we also need a change in food production and in the social sphere. A solution for all 3 changes.